Huberman Lab

Twyla Tharp reveals how discipline, movement, and creative habits fuel a lifetime of artistic excellence and longevity.

Twyla Tharp, an acclaimed dancer and choreographer, shares insights into her rigorous work ethic, creative process, and the role of movement in human expression. She discusses how discipline and routine, rather than ritual or enjoyment, sustain her daily practice. Tharp also explores the importance of having a clear "spine" or focus in creative work, the evolving relationship between artists and their audiences, and the challenges of aging while maintaining physical and creative vitality.

Discipline Over Ritual: The Reality of Hard Work

Tharp dismisses the idea of her early morning gym sessions as a ritual or something she enjoys. Instead, she calls it a reality—necessary maintenance of the body as an instrument to be challenged. On days when motivation wanes, her inner dialogue is simple: if you don’t work when you don’t want to, you won’t be able to work when you do. This mindset stems from a childhood shaped by a strong work ethic and a Midwestern farming background, where effort was tied directly to survival and community.

The Creative Spine: Focus as the Foundation

The concept of a "spine" is central to Tharp’s creative philosophy. It represents focus and concentration, the core idea that holds a work together. Without it, creators risk wandering aimlessly. She compares this to a scientific paper’s main conclusion or a mystery novel’s central question. Knowing the spine from the start guides the creative process and helps maintain coherence, even when the audience may not immediately grasp it.

Movement as Language and Longevity

Tharp emphasizes movement as the foundational form of communication, predating music and speech. She explains how different parts of the body operate at varying frequencies and how choreography can be seen as creating music through movement. Movement also plays a crucial role in longevity; staying physically active preserves brain function and curiosity. She reflects on the challenges of aging gracefully while maintaining independence and adapting to a changing body.

Balancing Standards and Well-being in Dance

The conversation touches on the tension between maintaining high standards and protecting dancers’ mental and physical health. Tharp acknowledges the extreme stress of performance and the necessity of rigorous rehearsal but warns that not everyone should pursue dance professionally. She highlights the evolving landscape of dance training, including the rise of competitions and social media’s impact on motivation and technique.

Translating the Unspoken: Movement, Critique, and Growth

Tharp’s unique upbringing, including interpreting a private language between her siblings, shaped her understanding of nonverbal communication. She stresses the importance of stepping outside oneself to view creative work objectively, often by filming rehearsals. Handling criticism requires love for the work and the ability to separate personal identity from artistic output. This balance is essential for growth and resilience in any creative field.